(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[North American Ing Masters Round 3 - Daniel Chou (7d) vs. Gary Shen (5d)]PW[Daniel Chou]PB[Gary Shen]WR[7d]BR[5d]DT[2008-08-06]EV[North American Ing Masters]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Huck Bennett]RE[W+Resign]
;B[dp]
;W[pq]
;B[cd]
;W[pd]
;B[ec]
;W[cj]
;B[cl]
;W[cg]
;B[jp]
;W[qk]
;B[dh]
;W[ch]
;B[dj]
;W[di]
;B[ei]
;W[ci]
;B[dk]
;W[eh]
;B[fi]
;W[fh]
;B[gh]
;W[gg]C[HearMeMeep [2d\]: NO KNOTTS FOR YOU!!!
]
;B[hg]
;W[hh]
;B[gi]
;W[gf]
;B[hf]
;W[ih]
;B[ge]
;W[dg]
;B[ef]
;W[fg]
;B[he]
;W[ik]
;B[hl]
;W[hk]
;B[gl]
;W[il]
;B[dq]
;W[lq]
;B[nc]
;W[oe]
;B[ld]
;W[fe]
;B[fd]
;W[bl]
;B[bm]
;W[bk]
;B[lo]
;W[ko]
;B[kp]
;W[lp]
;B[ln]
;W[jo]
;B[jm]
;W[ip]
;B[im]
;W[gk]
;B[fl]
;W[fk]
;B[ek]C[usgo12 [-\]: Black has 59 minutes remaining, White has 80 minutes remaining.
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;W[kd]
;B[le]
;W[jf]
;B[je]
;W[ke]
;B[kf]
;W[lf]
;B[kg]
;W[jd]
;B[ie]
;W[lc]
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;B[kc]
;W[kh]
;B[jg]
;W[ig]
;B[if]
;W[jh]
;B[jf]C[usgo12 [-\]: Black has 46 minutes remaining, White has 72 minutes remaining.
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;W[mj]
;B[po]
;W[qo]
;B[qn]
;W[qp]
;B[oj]
;W[pi]
;B[oi]
;W[ph]
;B[kk]
;W[nk]
;B[jj]
;W[lk]
;B[qc]
;W[pc]
;B[qd]
;W[qf]
;B[rf]
;W[re]
;B[om]
;W[ol]
;B[jq]
;W[iq]
;B[jr]
;W[ho]
;B[hr]
;W[kn]
;B[km]
;W[lm]
;B[nn]C[usgo12 [-\]: Black has 33 minutes remaining, White has 44 minutes remaining.
usgo12 [-\]: White is taking a great deal of time on this move.
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;W[mm]
;B[np]
;W[hm]
;B[ij]
;W[el]
;B[fm]
;W[fn]
;B[em]
;W[ir]
;B[is]
;W[gr]
;B[hq]
;W[gq]
;B[hp]
;W[io]
;B[gp]
;W[fp]
;B[go]
;W[gn]C[Confuse24 [3k\]: b resigns
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;B[fo]
;W[eo]
;B[hs]
;W[en]
;B[ep]
;W[fq]
;B[eq]C[usgo12 [-\]: Black has 14 minutes remaining, White has 24 minutes remaining.
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;W[dm]
;B[dl]
;W[kl]
;B[jl]
;W[jk]
;B[ll]
;W[ml]C[usgo12 [-\]: Black has 10 minutes remaining, White has 18 minutes remaining.
usgo12 [-\]: Black has 5 minutes remaining, White has 18 minutes remaining.
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;B[dn]
;W[do]
;B[co]
;W[cn]
;B[bn]
;W[mp]
;B[no]
;W[nq]
;B[kj]
;W[kl]
;B[op]
;W[oq]
;B[ll]
;W[er]
;B[gs]
;W[kl]
;B[pl]
;W[pk]
;B[ll]
;W[fr]
;B[dr]
;W[kl]
;B[ok]
;W[nl]
;B[ll]
;W[kr]
;B[es]
;W[kl]C[usgo12 [-\]: Black is now in Byo-Yomi, White has 15 minutes remaining.
francium87 [2k\]: angery go players it looks like...
]
;B[ql]
;W[pn]
;B[rn]C[rmexico [10k\]: i may be missing something, but why doesn't black just play h10?h
GeorgeW [-\]: liberties
]
;W[pp]C[francium87 [2k\]: yeah
rmexico [10k\]: wouldn't he win?
GeorgeW [-\]: no
GeorgeW [-\]: he only has 3
rmexico [10k\]: between what and what?
francium87 [2k\]: this could be badish
GeorgeW [-\]: in any case hes conserving them as ko threats
]
;B[ll]C[GeorgeW [-\]: mistake i think
GeorgeW [-\]: n5
rmexico [10k\]: his k7 group?
copacetik [1k\]: yeah
]
;W[oo]C[GeorgeW [-\]: white can capture p5 in sente now
francium87 [2k\]: m6 stones will die. but black wins if he gets even one of those white groups
]
;B[pm]
;W[rl]C[francium87 [2k\]: if i were black i would fill
]
;B[on]C[rmexico [10k\]: so would i
GeorgeW [-\]: can't
GeorgeW [-\]: if black fills he loses the races
rmexico [10k\]: huge
francium87 [2k\]: no. just a liberty diferent
GeorgeW [-\]: I promise you black loses the race
copacetik [1k\]: white could have forced black to play into atari
francium87 [2k\]: no way
copacetik [1k\]: cause s8 removed a liberty
francium87 [2k\]: if anything he loses ko
copacetik [1k\]: so filling wouldn't have done anything
GeorgeW [-\]: Look right now Q5, L8, N5, N6, S5 black is 1 liberty behind
francium87 [2k\]: if black fills l8. n6 dont work no more. because o8 group will die
GeorgeW [-\]: read out the variation i just showed
GeorgeW [-\]: thanks to d7
francium87 [2k\]: i did
GeorgeW [-\]: the other group has a liberty
GeorgeW [-\]: so after s5
GeorgeW [-\]: black has no answer
francium87 [2k\]: after l8 n5 or 6 fail.
GeorgeW [-\]: er it doesn't
GeorgeW [-\]: because black only has 3 liberties there
rmexico [10k\]: i guess we'll find out
GeorgeW [-\]: if black were to reduce at o10, then n11 gets out
copacetik [1k\]: we already know, george is right
GeorgeW [-\]: sorry
GeorgeW [-\]: not n11
GeorgeW [-\]: s7
GeorgeW [-\]: win the race
GeorgeW [-\]: i can show you in a demo if you want
]
;W[kl]C[GeorgeW [-\]: ...
francium87 [2k\]: but if white loses f6 group and h9 group. did he win overall?
]
;B[rm]C[Xanwu [1d\]: thats a stupid question
GeorgeW [-\]: He doesn't lose f6
francium87 [2k\]: not when white goes on with the ko. 
]
;W[rk]
;B[po]C[GeorgeW [-\]: no even if white just captured
GeorgeW [-\]: *connceted
GeorgeW [-\]: now he doesnt have territory
francium87 [2k\]: dame shimary or something like that?
GeorgeW [-\]: he had to kill the other group
]
;W[li]C[copacetik [1k\]: now it looks like black just wins outright
]
;B[ll]
;W[ks]
;B[js]
;W[kl]C[francium87 [2k\]: black has poor ko threats
goggle [11k\]: is this game still going on?
GeorgeW [-\]: theres no need to win the ko
]
;B[qe]C[GeorgeW [-\]: he has a billion threats on top
]
;W[rg]
;B[ll]
;W[kq]
;B[fs]
;W[kl]C[Kamenoitte [-\]: n2 too small?
siegzorro [8k\]: black?
]
;B[pj]C[siegzorro [8k\]: too small
]
;W[ll]C[siegzorro [8k\]: m8 too big, i think no ko more than it
AWalker [4k\]: maybe enough for B to win
csgo [?\]: should h10
xedover [7k?\]: go Huck !!
Kamenoitte [-\]: How does q10 work?  I don't see it.
copacetik [1k\]: neither side wants to play h10 now
]
;B[qj]
;W[rj]C[copacetik [1k\]: I don't get q10 either, george?
GeorgeW [-\]: uhhh i have no clue what he was thinking
GeorgeW [-\]: he had so many threats on top
GeorgeW [-\]: and good ones too that were without a doubt threats
Kamenoitte [-\]: n2 would have been better too
]
;B[rd]
;W[sf]
;B[pb]C[GeorgeW [-\]: now he's gonna ko on top unless i am mistake
copacetik [1k\]: I think black still wins though
GeorgeW [-\]: *live
]
;W[ob]C[Xanwu [1d\]: black in byo yomi?
]
;B[rb]
;W[pa]
;B[qa]
;W[qb]C[usgo12 [-\]: Black still has 5 Byo-Yomi periods, White has 2 minutes left.
]
;B[qi]
;W[ri]
;B[pb]C[GeorgeW [-\]: Can we get an expression update?
]
;W[bo]
;B[cp]
;W[qb]C[copacetik [1k\]: did white play b5 without capturing the ko?
GeorgeW [-\]: and r11 wrong too, s11 a better threat
copacetik [1k\]: oh wait nevermind
GeorgeW [-\]: almost feels like b is losing his cool
usgo12 [-\]: Black made a loud sound right after playing Q10.
]
;B[hj]
;W[in]
;B[pb]C[Volchishka [3d\]: ?
]
;W[am]
;B[an]
;W[qb]C[siegzorro [8k\]: ?
]
;B[fj]
;W[jn]
;B[pb]C[GeorgeW [-\]: not a threat
]
;W[dn]
;B[cm]
;W[qb]C[Volchishka [3d\]: was it undo...?
]
;B[mh]C[GeorgeW [-\]: btw i realized my mistake earlier
wgc0409 [1d\]: no undo
GeorgeW [-\]: s7 was black's answer, gave him an extra liberty
siegzorro [8k\]: but really
]
;W[ra]
;B[lh]
;W[mg]C[copacetik [1k\]: black trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Xanwu [1d\]: poor black - so many mistake in byo yomi ... 
dantheman [2d\]: o12
]
;B[ng]
;W[mf]C[LEIBNIZ [4k\]: b must be running out of time
sdafsfd: now o12
usgo12 [-\]: Black now has 4 Byo-Yomi periods.
CSC: b just lost big, time to resign...
Confuse24 [3k\]: no
Confuse24 [3k\]: he can connect
Rucker [1k\]: b can block now
Rucker [1k\]: yup
]
;B[ne]
;W[nh]
;B[nf]
;W[mi]C[Rucker [1k\]: 0.0
yoyoma [1d\]: anyone know the result of Jin Chen vs Xuefen Li in Round 2 of Ing masters?
Confuse24 [3k\]: not excatly what i saw
yoyoma [1d\]: I think http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/32 has it wrong??
siegzorro [8k\]: n12?
]
;B[of]C[Rucker [1k\]: lol me either
Vash3G [-\]: that result wasjst posted
Vash3G [-\]: jin chen won
]
;W[me]C[yoyoma [1d\]: If the results are correct there is a huge problem because it says there are 5 3-0 players
yoyoma [1d\]: Which is impossible
GeorgeW [-\]: just connect
Vash3G [-\]: all of the results are correct, ive walked into the strong players room to check as well
]
;B[md]C[usgo12 [-\]: White just enetered Byo-Yomi.
]
;W[od]C[GeorgeW [-\]: white's in trouble
yoyoma [1d\]: Vash3G have you asked the strong players and/or TD what they will do with 5 3-0 players and only 2 rounds left?!
copacetik [1k\]: good
]
;B[nd]
;W[pg]C[Vash3G [-\]: i have not
brucegogo [1d?\]: ko
brucegogo [1d?\]: w in big troub;e
]
;B[pf]
;W[pe]C[siegzorro [8k\]: black win?
]
;B[oc]C[beer [1d\]: Theoreticallt, there can be 2 players with 4-0 before the last round, right?
]
;W[pb]
;B[nb]C[siegzorro [8k\]: 80 vs 70
]
;W[sd]C[GeorgeW [-\]: seriously?
copacetik [1k\]: black didn't start ko?
brucegogo [1d?\]: what?
GeorgeW [-\]: black did not play t17?
Rakeliem [1k\]: lool
davideo [3k\]: ....
GeorgeW [-\]: he could have won the game right there!
xedover [7k?\]: no, Xuefen Lin beat Jin Chen this afternoon
davideo [3k\]: he missed it i suppose
Yxven [2k\]: these ranks aga?
]
;B[bf]C[brucegogo [1d?\]: y
]
;W[bg]C[copacetik [1k\]: it makes no sense!
brucegogo [1d?\]: B is around 85 point
Volchishka [3d\]: t3
Vash3G [-\]: going to double check the result
]
;B[sq]
;W[so]C[brucegogo [1d?\]: W is close to 80
brucegogo [1d?\]: very close game
siegzorro [8k\]: ..
]
;B[ro]
;W[rp]C[AmerBeton [12k\]: it's not a beautiful tame
AmerBeton [12k\]: game
AmerBeton [12k\]: sorry
]
;B[sp]C[siegzorro [8k\]: right
]
;W[sr]C[siegzorro [8k\]: very close
]
;B[rq]
;W[rr]C[wgc0409 [1d\]: bad
brucegogo [1d?\]: S3 is bad move
copacetik [1k\]: t6 better?
Modoc [9k\]: this is the point I would make the mistake
Rakeliem [1k\]: black is playing rly weird moves
brucegogo [1d?\]: gain 1 point, but lose senta
]
;B[sn]C[siegzorro [8k\]: black win , i think
cloudy [4d\]: 3 obvious mistake already by b
brucegogo [1d?\]: I bet W win 2.5
siegzorro [8k\]: ..
Volchishka [3d\]: b15..
]
;W[jc]C[Rakeliem [1k\]: why won't white resign
brucegogo [1d?\]: as he leads
Volchishka [3d\]: w ahead...
AmerBeton [12k\]: because it's not over
Rakeliem [1k\]: srsly?
]
;B[kb]C[brucegogo [1d?\]: G16 cut is coimg!
AmerBeton [12k\]: lol
Vash3G [-\]: the jin chen result has been updated online
AmerBeton [12k\]: sure
Vash3G [-\]: whoops
]
;W[be]C[AWalker [4k\]:  B+4
dogbert [3d\]: T8 is quite big
]
;B[cf]C[siegzorro [8k\]: t8?
]
;W[bd]C[awdrg: c14 seem weird
copacetik [1k\]: c14 also a mistake?
brucegogo [1d?\]: y
GeorgeW [-\]: yes
goomikko [1k\]: c14 seems losing 2 points
GeorgeW [-\]: so many mistakes
]
;B[bc]
;W[ce]C[wgc0409 [1d\]: b played lots of weired moves
brucegogo [1d?\]: w win big
AWalker [4k\]: then black juste lose the game
copacetik [1k\]: poor black
]
;B[de]C[AWalker [4k\]: just*
beer [1d\]: how to lose a lost game :(
awdrg: c14 is defenitly a losing move..
copacetik [1k\]: he had it locked up it seems
GeorgeW [-\]: this sequence is awful for b
beer [1d\]: W was leading by more than 10 anyway
GeorgeW [-\]: oh well dan wins his first game it seems
copacetik [1k\]: I don't even want to watch this horror show anymore
usgo12 [-\]: White is down to 4 Byo-Yomi periods.
]
;W[cc]C[usgo12 [-\]: Daniel won in round 2.
AmerBeton [12k\]: seems the end for b
beer [1d\]: W was in a dillema, simply D14 or C17 :)
Swordfish7 [5d\]: no he read out black a15 now
beer [1d\]: 'm just reading that
usgo12 [-\]: Black is down to 3 Byo-Yomi periods.
AWalker [4k\]: hum
LEIBNIZ [4k\]: what about a watari?
]
;B[ad]
;W[dd]
;B[ae]
;W[cd]C[siegzorro [8k\]: ..
oBuraaa [7k\]: hmm
cloudy [4d\]: over
Mihan [7k\]: if w lives b should resign asap. 
Shana [3d\]: if?
beer [1d\]: he will live
AWalker [4k\]: both of his groups?
usgo12 [-\]: Black is down to 2 Byo-Yomi periods.
]
;B[df]
;W[bb]
;B[ac]
;W[ab]
;B[af]
;W[db]C[dogbert [3d\]: pover
]
;B[ed]C[AmerBeton [12k\]: f14 ? e18 ?
Mihan [7k\]: It looks like w is willing to sacrifice his 6 stones to live there. 
]
;W[ff]
;B[dc]
;W[cb]C[Mihan [7k\]: or not :)
dogbert [3d\]: greedy bunch:)
Modoc [9k\]: How big of a risk is G16 to B?
]
;B[eg]
;W[gd]C[AmerBeton [12k\]: b can e13
AmerBeton [12k\]: lol
uurtamo [8k?\]: it's all over.
]
;B[hd]
;W[gc]
;B[hc]C[AmerBeton [12k\]: ì don't see b wins
]
;W[gb]C[wgc0409 [1d\]: OVER!!!!!
SColbert [2d\]: game over
Mihan [7k\]: shhhh. ok. 
SColbert [2d\]: h18 and e18 miai
usgo12 [-\]: White wins by resignation.
oBuraaa [7k\]: such a good game
])
